The Last Bass Outpost
Gear Discussion Forums => Other Bass Brands => Topic started by: lowend1 on March 14, 2016, 06:15:28 PM
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http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/23949-rock-n-roll-relics-announces-the-thunders-bass
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I am really into this. ... despite lack of a neck pickup.
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you still into it at 2,800. :P reading down the testimonial list there is this guitard named jack frost who they say is in anthrax, singer joey belladonna's BACKUP band. i bet anthrax would like to know this. belladonna is a prick with a hugh ego who would be quite happy to have anthrax as his band. :puke:
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you still into it at 2,800. :P reading down the testimonial list there is this guitard named jack frost who they say is in anthrax, singer joey belladonna's BACKUP band. i bet anthrax would like to know this. belladonna is a prick with a hugh ego who would be quite happy to have anthrax as his band. :puke:
Giggling my way through this ;D. I will dispense with all personal commentary regarding any above mentioned person or persons. I think what they are saying is that when Belladonna tours independently of Anthrax, Jack is his guitar player.
And yeah, $2800 is a big bite for ANY bass. He must think he's Gibson or something.
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They make expensive, butt-ugly hideously bad relic jobs.
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Can I get one that's not beat up? ;D
It's a shame Gibson didn't build a reissue with the proper body shape like this...
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Can I get one that's not beat up? ;D
Yes, they explicitly mention that (though the bass seems to cost the same either way - no matter the relicing hours saved, which is a major crock).
And no, I don't like that price, but that's all moot to me as I can't hardly buy a $600 bass these days either. Also, it's like the first time in a long while where a new bass model spoke to me at all (and this one really does). Been having fun imagining what I'd do to this (which is even more unfeasible; I'm a masochist apparently)
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I love the body and neck. Hate pickup placement and pick guard. The price is a joke. To be honest, knowing what takes to build a bass has jaded my view and opinion of custom shops and builders. A thing over $2000 is really ridiculous. I've come to believe. Just because a custom shop or builder can only make so many basses a year doesnt make them inherently more valuable. It just makes them more scarce. With so much of the building process machine oriented, the "handmade" bass is rarely carved out of a block of wood by a sculptor. If it were, rich morons would be the only customers. Sorry! I said I was jaded!
They didn't make a lot of Edsels either and it didn't make them more valuable except as an example of poor design and low market interest.
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ah yes, the classic premium paid for "relic-ing", they should at least take that off if I want a shiny one ;D
At 2800 it's getting a little to close to what you could pay for an origina beat upl slab EBO and the relic-ing comes free.
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At 2800 it's getting a little to close to what you could pay for an origina beat upl slab EBO and the relic-ing comes free.
Good poing, mang. ... though I would not be able to bring meself to mod an original.
I love the body and neck. Hate pickup placement and pick guard.
I like the guard well enough (it could be tweaked a bit; easy enough, but yeah, for that price I'd want it perfect/turn key). You know I'm a neck pup guy, but this thing got me thinking (because everything else about it seems so right): take the single coil option for the stock pup, and add a 4 wire neck bucker. Switch options are neck only or bridge + neck in single coil mode (still bucking).
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Geez, I was preping a bass for finishing today and found a couple dents in the back. Guess I should have dragged it around my shop some more and made it a relic job. Seriously, I never understood the relic thing, but that's just me. I've always been attracted to shiny objects! 8)
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Their other models are clones or near-clones of classic Fender and Gibson designs. You have to wonder why they strayed with this one, pickup placement, pickguard and color. How many people outside of this forum will even recognize it as a take on the original EB-0?
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Takes me twenty or more years of gigging to relic a bass
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Two Hamer slammers on Ebay this week, one like this (no case) just went for $130 shipped, the other (black) is about the same price.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Hamer%20Cruise/001%20Slammer2_zpsj99oja1g.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Hamer%20Cruise/001%20Slammer2_zpsj99oja1g.jpg.html)
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Their other models are clones or near-clones of classic Fender and Gibson designs. You have to wonder why they strayed with this one, pickup placement, pickguard and color. How many people outside of this forum will even recognize it as a take on the original EB-0?
Like I said, Kiss fans.
http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=222.0
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Two Hamer slammers on Ebay this week, one like this (no case) just went for $130 shipped, the other (black) is about the same price.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Hamer%20Cruise/001%20Slammer2_zpsj99oja1g.jpg) (http://s976.photobucket.com/user/cata1d0/media/Hamer%20Cruise/001%20Slammer2_zpsj99oja1g.jpg.html)
I have been so tempted to buy and modify one of those!
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Like I said, Kiss fans.
http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=222.0
Now I understand.
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And there iss a whole ARMY of uss!!!
(http://www.spudmud.com/thumbgen/phpThumb.php?src=http://spud1.spudmud.com/pictures/Kiss-Pandas.jpg&w=540)
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And there iss a whole ARMY of uss!!!
There aren't enough of you willing to pay $2800 for a fake relic job not officially sanctioned by the band. Or do you plan on being the first?
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Never warmed with that design. You know how I think that Johnny Thunders was the last person that looked good with a doublecut ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wun5Cg-xr-s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBV-FYy8lww
Oh my, that later vid ... not that much later than his NYD era and he is already a total wreck. Ok, so shooting up heroin is definitely not good for you.
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You know how I think that Johnny Thunders was the last person that looked good with a doublecut ...
Redirect your honour; rebuttal evidence:
(http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/84843703-photo-of-mick-jones-and-clash-mick-jones-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QYvz6Qsl0ThXWse0SsmMF4cpFbJvw925c5JVTAKgXS%2F2ZK483sow%2FlR1rGsLTx9Zlw%3D%3D)
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Never warmed with that design. You know how I think that Johnny Thunders was the last person that looked good with a doublecut ...
(http://www.12stringbass.net/quad9x.jpg)
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I really like the doublecut shape - visually and comfort-wise.
Me looking cool playing anything, however, is debatable :P
TP had it down with that Quad! 8)
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...can't forget Pete! 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SilFPSHuzlE
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I love the looks of the doublecut design. It's decent ergonomically on a guitar, not as much on a bass if you care about upper fret access.
Back in the late 90s there was a doublecut long scale ESP bass in a local store that sat unsold for several years. It was a 24-fret neck-thru with all frets clear of the body. That solved the problem, all right, but the neck dive was just terrible.
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I don't really like symetric guitar shapes that much - with the Flying V (and maybe the Punisher, which has a 24-fret access and no neck-dive by the way, the Mon(k)ey basses didn't neck-dive either though they were double-octave too) being the noteworthy exception. Give me Rics, Thunderbirds, Ovation Magnum and Explorers any day. Angular shapes speak with me more. It's my Art-Deco penchant I guess.
Rippers, Grabbers, G-3s I just like because they are so endearingly ugly someone has to care for them!
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LOL, only a lawyer could say that they categorically don't like symmetrical body styles and then give a laundry list of exceptions with very good reasons, but I must inform you that the LP Jr doublecut is NOT symmetrical. Almost, but not quite. Top horn is a teensy bit larger/longer. Other doublecut type solidbodies are symmetrical (e.g. The Punisher, which I also think is not appealing, but not due to symmetry).
(http://www.themusiczoo.com/images/9-21-12/16145_Gibson_Billie_Joe_Doublecut_LP_120820553_a.jpg)
hold on a sec....
... here we go:
(http://grannygremlin.com/images/nonwebpics/LPJRdoublecutSymetry.jpg)
As for Rippers, those are MUCH more obviously not symetrical :
(http://www.flyguitars.com/graphics/ripper76GF.jpg)
I understand this detail easily escapes a busy attorney when looking up from the brief on his desk at a sea of every Gibson bass ever, in a row, partially obscuring each other, but may I challenge you to a friendly game of pool; I'm feeling lucky.
It's OK, you don't have to be enamoured with the LP Jr body shape, but it's got nothing to do with symmetry.
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For a man my age, it LOOKS symetrical. Close enough for rock'n'roll, you know-it-all-lil'-canuck! But of course and lamentably you're right. :mrgreen:
Maybe I should have said I don't like doublecuts with similar-sized horns that much. I'm more for elongated and not so roundish bodies. The Punisher I like for the goth appeal, but of course the Warwick Vampyre beats it in that department.
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I understand this detail easily escapes a busy attorney when looking up from the brief on his desk
I occasionally look up from my briefs...
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(http://www.themoviescene.co.uk/reviews/_img/3208-2.jpg)
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I don't really like symetric guitar shapes that much - with the Flying V (and maybe the Punisher, which has a 24-fret access and no neck-dive by the way, the Mon(k)ey basses didn't neck-dive either though they were double-octave too) being the noteworthy exception. Give me Rics, Thunderbirds, Ovation Magnum and Explorers any day. Angular shapes speak with me more. It's my Art-Deco penchant I guess.
Rippers, Grabbers, G-3s I just like because they are so endearingly ugly someone has to care for them!
You must like the SG shape though. You have several. Maybe you just don't like the rounded horns and the symmetrical shape together.
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SGs aren't (or weren't always; it morphed a bit over the years) symetrical either.
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You must like the SG shape though. You have several. Maybe you just don't like the rounded horns and the symmetrical shape together.
Yeah, I like SGs - and red leather pants!
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/f55a4f0632538aa03448cab74286c46d/tumblr_mmtpr1VrqY1rzw4auo1_400.jpg)
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SGs aren't (or weren't always; it morphed a bit over the years) symetrical either.
Can't we just drown Jake somewhere in the Thousand Islands Region?
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I like symmetry up top with a big bottom. :-X
I fell in love with the look of the early Pedulla because it had (almost) symmetrical dual horns and Les Paul style'd bottom. But that thing DEFINES neck dive! Still fun to play every now and then if I feel like a light left arm workout.
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Can't we just drown Jake somewhere in the Thousand Islands Region?
Hey cool; coming to visit? :P
If you don't mind, I'd rather a nice peaceful secluded lake in Algonquin park - that's where Canadians like to be disapearred.
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If you don't mind, I'd rather a nice peaceful secluded lake in Algonquin park - that's where Canadians like to be disapearred.
It''ll have to be there, since they're not building any football stadiums in New Jersey at the moment.
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Can't we just drown Jake somewhere in the Thousand Islands Region?
Getting on your nerves, eh? :mrgreen:
I like symmetry up top with a big bottom. :-X
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/davepix/humor/pooh2_zps6r6tnsfk.jpg)
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:mrgreen:
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"Getting on your nerves, eh?"
I've discarded any such thing as "nerves" in this place long ago ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr_2gpvYP6M
I'm repeating myself (as I tend to): Hetfield has become a dead ringer for Eric Bloom vocally (tho less agile in the high parts), why am I the only one to notice?
The day "His Majestic Persistence, Jake the First" would no longer lavish us here with his argumentative resilience and hairsplitting scintillating distinctions would be a sad day indeed. Let's not be fragile about the youthful enthusiasm of our favorite Cantrarian in getting a point across once or twice or thrice ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUxqc4v5UxQ
Also, I understand that Jake's name is a derivation of the Polish word "jak" which means - he'll no doubt correct me if I'm wrong - "How?" or "What?", therefore paying full homage to an inquisitive and always questioning mind. :)
I think I put that nicely. 8)
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ROFL
(I'm actually a Jakub, but I like your version better).
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Featured in the April '17 issue of Bass Player magazine:
At that price, a niche market for sure - the builder obviously doesn't frequent the Outpost.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/lowend1/IMG_0134_zps47ggotpn.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/lowend1/media/IMG_0134_zps47ggotpn.jpg.html)
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I played this yellow one recently - https://www.chicagomusicexchange.com/products/rock-n-roll-relics-thunders-bass-tv-yellow-serial-16486 (https://www.chicagomusicexchange.com/products/rock-n-roll-relics-thunders-bass-tv-yellow-serial-16486) It's a cool little bass, but it immediately reminded me of what I didn't like about my former Hamer B12S. I can handle short scale, but the way they inset the neck way into the body makes it feel small and cramped like a guitar. I did not plug it in, so I can't comment on tone.
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Ha, I see that now - neck joins body at the 17th fret.
To be fair, the original Gibson was the same in that regard. I suspect the reason was a) lets not let bass players think they're allowed up there and b) that way the bridge is all the way back at the butt end (like a long scale).
Funny thing is, the guitar version has the neck join at the 22nd fret. Even an SG shape EB0/3 has the joint at the 18th (but due to the cutout shape you can easily reach the 19th which I have used a lot... I suspect that's not the case with the DC shape). The SG guitar has the joint at the 22nd fret
Way to take a body shapes designed for excellent upper fret access and f*** it up - typical Gibson.
Also thanks for the relief of my gas pains.
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I played this yellow one recently - https://www.chicagomusicexchange.com/products/rock-n-roll-relics-thunders-bass-tv-yellow-serial-16486 (https://www.chicagomusicexchange.com/products/rock-n-roll-relics-thunders-bass-tv-yellow-serial-16486) It's a cool little bass, but it immediately reminded me of what I didn't like about my former Hamer B12S. I can handle short scale, but the way they inset the neck way into the body makes it feel small and cramped like a guitar. I did not plug it in, so I can't comment on tone.
At the other extreme, ESP made a long scale version in the 90s with 24 frets all clear of the body. I wanted to love it but the neck dive was terrible.
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I'm building a second Brooks EBPL as we speak. 8)
It is going to be transparant black with black hardware.
And pearloid binding...
The guy who I'm building it for wants a Babicz bridge.
And a humbucker (we haven't decided which one exactly).
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I'm building a second Brooks EBPL as we speak. 8)
It is going to be transparant black with black hardware.
And pearloid binding...
The guy who I'm building it for wants a Babicz bridge.
And a humbucker (we haven't decided which one exactly).
That should look good over mahogany.
Babicz 3-point replacement or the one with Fender 3/4 in. spacing?
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At the other extreme, ESP made a long scale version in the 90s with 24 frets all clear of the body. I wanted to love it but the neck dive was terrible.
Yeah, I get the reasoning (especially with the 12er headstock), but the feel wasn't right for me. Guild JS II on the other hand didn't bother me at all. A little dive-y, but the thing was so light it didn't seem to matter.
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Babicz 3-point replacement or the one with Fender 3/4 in. spacing?
Not the 3 point replacement. No need because there are no studs to fit into. ;)
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Not the 3 point replacement. No need because there are no studs to fit into. ;)
You could put studs in! ;D I've seen a couple of small builders who used the Hipshot bridge on new builds. My guess is that they wanted the narrower Gibson string spacing.
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I hate the Hipshot bridges.
And so does the buy who I'm building this bass for. He told me he used to have a Hipshot on one of his Gibson basses. And the bridge just collapsed during a gig!
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Don't get all riled up about it. If you and your customer prefer the Babicz, that's fine. I'm the opposite, I think the Babicz is unnecessarily fiddly. To each his own. I was only wondering about the string spacing on yours. If your customer had wanted narrower string spacing and a Babicz, you could install studs.
I'm sure Babicz is a good company, and I know Hipshot is. Frankly, I'm skeptical that a substantial bridge casting could collapse on a gig, but you never know, rare failures can happen when you have produced thousands and thousands of bridges.
Here's one of the builders I was referring to: Serek Basses (https://www.serekbasses.com/basses)
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If it had been up to me I would have installed an ABM 3D bridge. But he wants that Babicz FCH 4. Which I've just ordered at Thomann.
Thanx for the link btw.
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Speaking of Gene Simmon's basses, how about a purple sparkle refinned Grabber for CA$20k ???
https://reverb.com/item/4288850-gibson-gene-simmons-stage-played-and-signed-vintage-gibson-grabber
It's local too me so it came up in my selected picks, but I never heard of that store.
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That's pretty cool, but not $15K worth of cool. Most of the "stores" on Reverb are just some guy.
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I loves my Hipshot Supertone 2.
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Available for $3750 at Lark Street Music in Teaneck, NJ...
http://larkstreet.com/list/pict/EBo1961.jpg
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Drool.
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Most of the "stores" on Reverb are just some guy.
Oh, I know. But this one seems like he's really trying harder at it than most - we have had a trend of middle-aged hobbyist dudes around here trying to go pro with the dealing. Half the time they also open a brick and morter shop somewhere. He could just be out in the sticks, but calling his location Toronto, so I'd never hear about him except on Reverb. Some are hilarious - one of me fave new spots is a ridiculous joint; huge mess (they've been organising lately) and a lot of junk/broken things (getting fixed lately - they had a guy in servicing a cabless fliptop last time I was by). There's usually a rolling paper or a stem of weed on top of a random cab/counter. But they somehow manage to get cool shit in (and if it really isn't desirabl, the prices are very good) - bought my Riviera [sic] 4x12 there and they've had a few Garnets, that Marshall silver Jubilkee stack, the fliptop, a real Gibson Firebird body (priced too high considering not vintage + unrepaired neck break; but they sold it on ebay for even more than they quoted me so fair enuf), a pair of Altec 417s that I just missed, an Epi el Capitan bass I am not sure if I regret not buying....